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  • 07-20-2008 8:45 PM

    Cooler Than Water, The Liquid Metal Heat Sink

    Even in the age of green computing and lower power 45nm silicon manufacturing technologies, thermal management, specifically heat mitigation, continues to be a challenge .   Maybe you're a dyed-in-the-wool overclocker or perhaps a silent computing buff that wants things whisper-quiet. Then again, even the average "Joe Sixpack" could probably appreciate how unobtrusive a computer can be and that, as savvy HH readers know, can only be achieved through robust, elegant cooling solutions.  In that vein and out of the Kingdom of Denmark comes Danamics with the LM10, the world's first commercially available liquid metal-based CPU heatsink.  What's that you say?  Liquid metal?  Indeed liquid metal, son.  Black gold, Texas Tea... or something like that.

      


     
    Courtesy:  Danamics ApS

    In addition, Danamics highlights that their technology utilizes an electromagnetic pump for circulating the liquid metal (makes sense) and this also has the added benefits of having no moving parts, emitting zero noise and a claimed unlimited MTBF (mean-time between failure).  Danamics also claims the LM10 has the lowest thermal resistance of any air-cooler on the market currently.  They also claim the LM10 exceeds most water coolers on the market, all in a single, sealed unit without external reservoirs or additional components.  Finally, the power draw of the LM10 is noted to be less than 1W.

    So let's add this up again.  Low noise, low power consumption, cools better than water, stand-alone unit -- only one question remains and one task is at hand.  How much does it cost and when will the first sample arrive at the HotHardware Labs?  Stay tuned, we'll try to answer those questions and whether or not the LM10 can live up to its claims, in the weeks ahead.  What do you think?  Does this new technology have promise?

  • 07-20-2008 9:17 PM In reply to

    Re: Cooler Than Water, The Liquid Metal Heat Sink

     Im sorry but electromagnetic ? is that wise to have a powered magnet sitting on top of your cpu ?

  • 07-20-2008 9:25 PM In reply to

    Re: Cooler Than Water, The Liquid Metal Heat Sink

    FlyinBrian:

     Im sorry but electromagnetic ? is that wise to have a powered magnet sitting on top of your cpu ?

    I would be concerned about the effects an electromagnet might have on a hard drive!

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  • 07-20-2008 9:32 PM In reply to

    • Dave_HH
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    RE: Cooler Than Water, The Liquid Metal Heat Sink

    Umm... interesting observations. One would hope that they thought of these issues though. :)

    I'm sure the magnetic field that is generated is probably rather lower power and small since it probably doesn't take much to move a liquid.

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  • 07-20-2008 9:33 PM In reply to

    Re: Cooler Than Water, The Liquid Metal Heat Sink

     and what's the wieght of that thing man. looks pretty hefty to me.

  • 07-20-2008 9:33 PM In reply to

    • Lev_Astov
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    RE: Cooler Than Water, The Liquid Metal Heat Sink

    I'm pretty sure hard drives are housed in magnetic shielding, i.e. metal.

    I want to know what the heck they mean by "liquid metal." Mercury? I certainly hope so, but most morons would cry foul, not trusting the construction to keep it contained. I've often thought mercury would make a good coolant in a non phase changing situation, but it seems the world thinks otherwise.

    The only other liquid metal cooling system I know of is on certain nuclear reactor types (I forget which), where they actually have molten metal running around in them.
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  • 07-20-2008 10:16 PM In reply to

    • Dave_HH
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    RE: Cooler Than Water, The Liquid Metal Heat Sink

    I highly doubt it's mercury... would take a helluva lot of that to run through the pipes and it certainly isn't environmentally sound that's for sure.

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  • 07-20-2008 10:17 PM In reply to

    • Dave_HH
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    RE: Cooler Than Water, The Liquid Metal Heat Sink

    There are lots of options apparently:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquidmetal

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  • 07-20-2008 10:29 PM In reply to

    Re: Cooler Than Water, The Liquid Metal Heat Sink

    I never had a reason to consider aftermarket cooling until I purchased a Pentium 4 3.0Ghz steak-cooker CPU. No wonder Intel went with a different architecture. I had to slap a Thermaltake BIG TYPHOON heatsink on it to keep it from going nuclear. Yes I would like very much to see a comparo featuring a heatsink with Terminator-style liquid-metal cooling!Yes

     

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  • 07-20-2008 10:30 PM In reply to

    RE: Cooler Than Water, The Liquid Metal Heat Sink

    Interesting, I assumed it was just mercury. It should be fine as long as its sealed. You would have to intentionally break it to poison yourself or someone else. I am not an engineer but the way it sounds is the metal is moved thru the pipes a lot like the MagLev trains they have in places like France, Germany, Japan. It sounds Really awesome as long as no problems arise due to the magnet and even that from the looks of it is shielded.  I assume they have tested it a lot. Even so I cant wait to see it in the HH test kitchen, er lab.

  • 07-20-2008 10:46 PM In reply to

    Re: RE: Cooler Than Water, The Liquid Metal Heat Sink

     So is it possible for the liquid metal to leak? if so I would imagine the damage would be far greater then watecooling since most fluid is non conductive.

  • 07-21-2008 1:08 AM In reply to

    • AjayD
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    RE: Cooler Than Water, The Liquid Metal Heat Sink

    This appears to be a promising design. I look forward to HH getting their hands on a sample. I would love to see how it performs against top of the line air and water cooling alternatives.

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  • 07-21-2008 4:36 AM In reply to

    Re: RE: Cooler Than Water, The Liquid Metal Heat Sink

    as long as you dont ingest the mercury it should be fine. in the old days in england kids used to play with the stuff.

  • 07-21-2008 7:36 AM In reply to

    RE: Cooler Than Water, The Liquid Metal Heat Sink

    I'm pretty sure there are ways to shield magnetic fields (I don't have my physics books at work to convince myself but if you Google it there are some companies that sell materials). Also I'm sure that was the first thing anyone thought of when the idea was mentioned, so I'm sure they have a way of keeping everything safe, but I would like to know it.
  • 07-21-2008 3:04 PM In reply to

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    Re: RE: Cooler Than Water, The Liquid Metal Heat Sink

    looks promissing... slap a fan on it and just hink what i could do.... an nice low Db fan...

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  • 07-21-2008 3:42 PM In reply to

    Re: RE: Cooler Than Water, The Liquid Metal Heat Sink

    Sounds interesting...

    I don't know much about science. But I would assume the other part of the equation to success is how the heatsink gets rid of the heat effectively. It is good to efficiently take the heat away from the CPU. But if you can't transfer that heat from the fins of the heatsink into the air, the whole thing is just going to slowly warm up until it hits a stable temperature. So if this idea really does work, the traditional part of the heatsink (the fins) are going to hold it back. Right?

    Though I sound pessimistic, I'm looking forward to it. I love reading about new tech and ways to get cool temps.

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  • 07-21-2008 4:01 PM In reply to

    RE: Cooler Than Water, The Liquid Metal Heat Sink

    Hey Superdave maybe you can weld a flat top skilled on top of that old p4. That way you can cook fajitas and surf the web ? win/win
  • 07-21-2008 6:55 PM In reply to

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    Re: RE: Cooler Than Water, The Liquid Metal Heat Sink

    I really want this. I wanna knwo when its coming out. I'll update if I get any news.

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  • 07-21-2008 11:42 PM In reply to

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    RE: Cooler Than Water, The Liquid Metal Heat Sink

    doubt it's mercury and for the magnetics it's probably a very low amp magnet that shifts top to bottom or side to side on a socketed internally polished and coated tube pulling the liquid alloy from one side and shifting the magnet to the other side to keep it flowing once its moving in a definite direction I imagine it takes a very minor force to keep it so
  • 07-22-2008 12:13 AM In reply to

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    RE: Cooler Than Water, The Liquid Metal Heat Sink

    Intersting technology first devoloped in 2003 for commercial & becoming available for consumers!

     

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